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after living with drugs...I found and use K extensively.
K doesnt affect the serotonine system. U feel ok days after,
So far no hang over. At all.
No risk for addiction.
I can do it over and over again, several days in a row. And still go to work every morning. And I dont need it...No craving.
It sounds too good to be true.
There are some side effects, but which? What are your experiences??
K doesnt affect the serotonine system. U feel ok days after,
So far no hang over. At all.
No risk for addiction.
I can do it over and over again, several days in a row. And still go to work every morning. And I dont need it...No craving.
It sounds too good to be true.
There are some side effects, but which? What are your experiences??
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Re: ketamin side effects
Thu, October 13, 2005 - 6:21 PMIf you use it too much, it stops working.
Classic Tolerance. That's the only physical symptom that's like an addiction symptom. I've found that stepping up the dose isn't even all that helpful. You'll just burn through your money without feelin' it.
It's better to take a few weeks' or months' break from it.
And, 'cause it feels good, it *can* be psychologically addictive. -
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Re: ketamin side effects
Thu, October 13, 2005 - 9:27 PMSorry, when I've had it out of my system for a while, and I do a shitload again (3 fat lines min.), I still FEEL IT the next day. I work 9-5. But, regardless, I'm still walking the first half of the day with my "Christmas Feet." -
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Re: ketamin side effects
Sun, October 16, 2005 - 11:06 AMDont get me wrong I love K, but its a dangerous one alright. The tolerance build is immense, and its extremely psychologically addictive - its a great escapist drug.
Ever heard of Olney's lesions? Whever K causes these or not and to the differing severity in different people, Ive seen and heard first hand reports of how abuse of this drug (long term daylyish use) messes with sight and cognitive ability for a long time.
Of course u could have done a enough to knock out an entire
army of horses and nothin bad happens - but then body chemistry differs.
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Re: ketamine side effects
Mon, October 17, 2005 - 9:12 AM"On that note also not too great for those with underlying mental issues, but hey what physchoactive is?"
MDMA
And PS: K actually gave me an epiphany to leave my abusive ex of 7 years. It ain't all bad... -
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Re: ketamine side effects
Mon, October 17, 2005 - 11:07 AMDidnt say it was mate.
MDMA good for depressed people, hmmmmm. Maybe in very controlled doses to help re-realise the beauty of life. But, how easy is it to start self medicating and just make things way worse.
MDMA for possible schitzophrenics...... now theyre possibly schitzophrenic.
MDMA for Manic depressives - exellent u may have just started a manic episode.
Hey, yay for K, but if youve ever witnessed its destruction as well as beauty its a definite double edged sword.
MDMA also (if overdone) messes people right up - but I think we all agree moderation is the key, even if we dont do it ;)
And PS: K turned someone I know into a incoherent mess, and I know enough people who'll vouch they've maybe done one two many E's. -
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Re: ketamine side effects
Mon, October 17, 2005 - 9:02 PMI wasn't encouraging uneducated use...
www.erowid.org
But I'm sure you're familiar with that website.
Oh, and say "Hi" to the Machine Elves for me! -
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Re: ketamine side effects
Mon, October 17, 2005 - 11:57 PMNo need boss theyre telepathic ;) -
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Re: ketamine side effects
Mon, October 24, 2005 - 12:25 PMit seems like no has mentioned memory loss and/or lack of concentration.
ive been taking k for 4 years now pretty much regullaly, meaning most would be 4 times a week, mailny weekends and least would be twice a month.
now the biggest side effect i notice is the destruction of my short term memory,if ive been taking it all weekend at least 2 weeks afterwards i severly forget where i put things,sometimes what im talking about and the main thing is having a conversation with someone and 15 seconds into it losing complete concentration,forget waht the conversation is about and while trying to carry on talking,trying to recall the beggining of the conversation and going on like this in a cycle.
now i guess this sounds pretty messed up, especially since im 24 but i know for a fact it is k, becouse months when i hardly have any im fine.
does this sound familiar to anyone else ?
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Re: ketamine side effects
Mon, October 24, 2005 - 4:25 PMFrom my earlier post mate:
'Ever heard of Olney's lesions? Whever K causes these or not and to the differing severity in different people, Ive seen and heard first hand reports of how abuse of this drug (long term daylyish use) messes with sight and cognitive ability for a long time.'
I meant for cognitive ability to include the whole memory, concentration, and speech thing. - Sorry not obvious
Also sad to say, while I agree with the original post K doesnt really have too much of a hangover (depends on if bingin or not) - infact when doing sensible amounts I find it can leave me feeelin mildly euprhoric and peaceful for a coulpla days after, it does do brain damage.
After living in squats in England Ive seen loadsa K ab/use and seen people who can barely put sentences together any more. Also I guess cause it can be such a great escapist for some, and because some peeps become so used to that (and many more reasons.....) its also the greatest precursor to smack Ive seen (In an environment where that is generally frowned upon - they have their own squats)
However I still believe after all of this, used properly K is one of the greatest tools to explore the internal and external worlds and ranks with the likes of DMT for conciousness exploration.
If u wanna improve your memory/concentration again you gotta cut back severly, and work it like an underused muscle. Read shit, do problems, try memorising stuff. Alot of the lost skills are probably also largely due to the brain getting lazy, not just the drug.
I know exactly how it feels to be like man Im so young and my brain is definitely not as good as it used to be - the conversation thing is a real bummer.
Check out 'olneys lesions' - I think with time they do heal.
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Re: ketamine side effects
Tue, October 25, 2005 - 9:55 AMYeah - I get this after a heavy time - usually passes within a week but I find I can be at work talking to a colleage and be completely unable to remember what his name is. Another one is which station the train has just passed through. -
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Re: ketamine side effects
Tue, October 25, 2005 - 10:41 AMAt my age, this happens to me anyway.
And I'm doing a lot better than my friends who smoke chronic three or four times per day.
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Re: ketamine side effects
Tue, October 25, 2005 - 11:45 AMalso aonther side effect which i wonder wether or not to be concerned about is how strong my bodys tolerance to k as an anaesthetic is.
for example ive I.M injected k on say a friday and all day saturday and most of sunday any k which i then take has extremely little effect at all becouse my bodys tolarence has become so strong to it, i mean if i was to be in a fairly tragic accident say on the saturday and needed anaesthetic on the scene would my bodys tolerance to k effect the anaesthetic the medics would use?
i dont know how it works but to me anaesthetic is anaesthetic wether its k or another type a hospital would use, if i build up a strong tolerance to one then that tolarence would be there for the other right ?, or does it not work that way ?
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Re: ketamin side effects
Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:01 PMi have also heard first hand from friends who used ketamine fore years and lost the ability to see in colour but their sight recovered when they stopped taking it -
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 11:30 AM>i have also heard first hand from friends who used ketamine fore years and lost the ability to see in colour but their sight recovered when they stopped taking it
Whoa, that's strange. Do you have any more information, like how regularly they took it, dose range, or route? Do you know about how long the color vision effects persisted? I'd love to learn anything more that I can. -
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Fri, November 2, 2007 - 9:37 AMI am researching the physical effects of long term ketamin (ab)use and am looking for people who would like to share their stories. I am particularly interested in cases of bladder and kidney failure, as a few users I know are now wearing catheters or nappies. I am also interested to know if anyone has heard of cases of k crystals building up in the liver, causing organ failure, as this is another story I have heard, although I havent been able to track down its origins so I cant verify whether it is true or not.
As a note of interest, according to a guy who performs regular iboga ceremonies, ketamin is the hardest drug for ibogaine to "evict" from the user, as the "spirit" of ketamine is blind and deaf. Basically, when a person is on ketamine and does iboga to kick the k, the user doesn't even know the iboga spirit is there!
No surprise there.
Also, when we asked the I Ching about k, the I Ching told us that anything that separates you from your body, which is your source of joy on this planet, is a lie - we are compressed cosmic consciousness and have everything we need already if we just tap into it. To separate ourselves, try and escape or leave our bodies is missing the opportunity of an ecstatic experience while we are here and missing the point altogether.
I thought that was really interesting coming from the I Ching, as it seemed to be spot on from what I know of k and k users.
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Re: ketamin side effects
Sun, September 13, 2009 - 7:21 AMOlney's lesions
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Olney's lesions, also known as NMDA receptor antagonist neurotoxicity (NAN), are a potential form of brain damage caused by high doses of dissociative anaesthetics, particularly those referred to as "uncompetitive NMDA-channel-blockers" such as ketamine, memantine, phencyclidine (PCP), and dextromethorphan (DXM).
Olney's Lesions have not yet been proven or disproven to manifest in humans. No tests have been conducted to test the validity of post-dissociative development of vacuolization in human brain tissue, and critics claim that animal testing is not a reliable predictor of the effects of dissociative substances on humans.
J.W. Olney stated in January 2002:
The evidence is that ketamine and many other NMDA-receptor antagonists that have been tested in humans, cause an acute disturbance in neural circuitry that leads to psychotic manifestations. These same drugs cause the same disturbance in neural circuitry in rats and when we look at their brains we see evidence for physical neuronal injury. Since no one has looked at the brains of humans immediately after administering these drugs, we do not know whether the physical neuronal injury occurs.
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Re: ketamin side effects
Mon, May 29, 2006 - 4:16 PMI haven't done any Ketamine in nearly two years. Prior to that I used it fairly heavy--200+mg intramuscular/day daily for six month at a time, then a few months off, then a few months on, for about seven years.
Believe me: you will notice the effects on the brain if you haven't yet.
Of course there are many other factors to consider, but I'm pretty sure it was the ketamine that really started to turn my brain into mashed potatoes. I used to be known for having a memory like an elephant. I have an old friend who's memory was just as good and he never did any serious drugs. His memory is just as good today and mine has totally gone to shit.
Still after a couple of years of abstenence, looking back over all of the amazing experiences, and the meaningless ones, I'd have to say I'd rather have my brain.
If it really wasn't addictive, I probably would have stopped when it stopped being an enlightening experience (really after the first couple of times). Addiciton is a subtle foe, looking back it's pretty easy to see that I was kidding myself about how great it was for me.
Be true to yourself.
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Re: ketamin side effects
Mon, May 29, 2006 - 5:10 PMQuote: "There are some side effects, but which? What are your experiences??"
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Re: ketamin side effects
Sun, June 4, 2006 - 12:22 PMAs for Olney's lesions, I think that's DXM specific. Bill White supposedly retracted his paper a few years back. But, he may have had something there, regarding Olney's lesions and DXM. I think too often people think substances of the same class( for example dissociatives) are all the same.
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Re: ketamin side effects
Thu, December 7, 2006 - 10:33 PMKetamine! Do smack.....smack is better for you.....with smack, when your body and mind go to hell you can maybe do the ibogaine thing....
Ketamine on the other hand....Ketamine is soul-destroying....literally.
first...the amusing anecdote.....:
I've got this schizo ex-friend who takes seroquel, oxycontin, and eats xanax like M&Ms...It just so happens that Ketamine is HIS favorite! :) More than the finest smack he sez....and remember, this is a smack head we're talking about!
Let me just say that before this guy started doing Ketamine- he was different....I can't quite put my finger on what changed...but I think some of you will know what I'm talking about.....
and den...another anecdote........
when you do anesthetics, your soul leaves your body........and there's a small chance it won't come back.
Ketamine is an anesthetic....Repeated use increases your chances of become one of the WALKING-DEAD!!!!!!! :)
That's SOME DISASSOCIATIVE! :)
Peace out my brothers.....
PS- IF you're one of these people- don't worry....there's always a way back.....but it might be a longer journey than you thought. ;-)
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Mon, November 5, 2007 - 4:58 AMi have to agree - k has become like socially acceptable heroin. except, that smack was never socially accepted. And unlike ketamin , iboga can kick heroin out - and your body can heal itself after, as long as you were lucky enough to not contract hep c while on the heroin!! From the little I know so far, once the bladder and kidneys have failed from doing too much k, there is no reversal - a catheter is for life! If anyone knows any real life stories, I am interested for my research project.
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Re: ketamin side effects
Wed, November 7, 2007 - 7:03 AMi have been a user for 14 years of ketamin regualary and the effects are depleated immune system, depleation of vit d causing depleation of calcium to teeth and bones liver and prostate function problems in sever cases failure chrystalisation of ketamin in the liver, veins and brains, and causing depression and chronic fatigue syndrome all these effects sound dangerous and scary but the fact is all these symptoms can be avoided with extra vitamin intake naturally through food and suppliments also taking acid can help with reactivating the memory cells and k and acid compliments each other but i have recntly had a brain scan 7 months ago to find out i have cranial calcification due to k and alchohol abuse but have illiminated it through extra strong vit d tablets and a better diet whilst still remaing to keep my k usage to a normal standard (my norm standard= excessive).
australion bush flower for anxiety
st johns wort for depression
dandelion for detoxification
milk thistle for liver
try taking echinascia for the immune system
ginko bilboa for the brain
drink and eat fresh orange, citirs fruits for vit c
spinach for calcium
eat lots of sweet potatoe has many vits including riboflavins vitamin c and beta carotene
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Re: ketamin side effects
Tue, July 29, 2008 - 6:22 AMbeen doing this stuff for years...
side effects ( for me ) include - a week bladder, occasional periods of bad slurred speech (getting my words muddled up etc etc), frequently slipping in and out of daydreams uncontrollably, problems with urinating, trouble absorbing new information being givin to me, bad short term memory...
Also i blow my nose a hell of alot, always clear mucus type stuff that comes out, any one else get that ?
people need to know the damage that ketamine CAN do if used TOO much and if they have even half a brain it will be enough to stop them becoming another heavy user. Fortunately, though, Ketamine gives numerous Positive side effects, in low doses i have read it is good for treating deppression, it helped me kick a serious alcohol problem, and has made more connected to those around me...
use it in moderation and dont let the tolerance take over, there are various ways of keeping yourself healthy if you use it often, drinking lots of water helps to flush the bladder out and keeps it from getting infected, drinking cranberry juice cleanses the kidneys, eating digestive biscuits helps to prevent those awful stomach cramps...
basically your only ever going to truly learn from your own mistakes, but if you can prepare yourself for the worst, then atleast thats something.
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Re: ketamin side effects
Sat, September 20, 2008 - 1:08 AMDont snort K inject it, start all K sessions with lsd with K to light up other areas of the brain that K can shut down, Use smart drugs like pricetam and hydergien. use colloidial elements, dont drink alcohol, finish all k sessions with DMT, Read Ketamine Dreams and Realities By Karl Jansen, chlorbutanol and benzthonium chloride are preservatives added to most lowe end K mixtures that fuck up your head, use only S+ isomers.......
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Re: ketamin side effects
Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:49 PMThe biggest side effect is not being able to get anymore.
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